| Author |
Share Topic Topic Search Topic Options
|
ACamPuller
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 19 January 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4588
|
Topic: Pepe and Santeria. Posted: 21 February 2005 at 12:37am |
This is actually part of another thread but, I think the info is pertinent to understanding some of "Tale of the Goat" so, I am resurecting it here. For those not familiar, my dad had a couple of speaking cameos as "Pepe" the OCB janitor.
If my dad's lines had been cut, the rate would have dropped to the going rate for extras which, I believe was about $125.00 with no residuals. It was pretty cool that as soon as the show was repeated, he got another $750.00 for each one. The amounts dropped to just a few bucks after a time.
The concept of what my dad tells Crockett is pretty interesting. The fact that his question to Crockett was a metaphor about "believing" in the ocean, it hints of, no matter what you believe, there is something there to be reckoned with. "No matter if you do, or you don't. If you step in it, for sure, you're going to get wet." Basically, he was warning Crockett to be careful, regardless of what he might personally believe!
A little background.
Although we are Catholic and the dominant religion in Cuba is Catholic, the religion of Santeria is very prevalent across the country. We have always had family friends that practiced this religion.
Santeria is a combination African religion brought to the new world by slaves and the Catholisism that was already prevalent on their arrival. Santeria, to this day, combines offerings and animal sacrifices to the Saints. These Saints each have their own "area of responsibility" such as Chango, the Goddess of War. Chango's counterpart in the Catholic religion would be Santa Barbara whose identifying colors are red and white.
You can always identify a "Santero" by the multi-colored, bead bracelets and necklaces that they wear. Each pattern of beads and colors represent a different Saint. Anyone other than the person wearing them is forbidden to touch them.
Allthough this is not "traditional" Voodoo, some of the Voodoo rituals found in other cultures are involved. Regardless, it is still a pretty interesting if not, sometimes scary thing. The rituals carried out during these ceremonies include a lot of music, primarily if not exclusively drums, lots of liquor and food and cigars. The person "receiving" the Saint is brought into a state of frenzy, ultimately collapsing in total exhaustion at the conclusion of the ritual. I partook in one of these full-blown events in Guanabacoa, Cuba. This area is just outside of Havana. The high-priest was a very scary looking but very nice guy. His skin was black as pitch and his eyes were clouded over with mild cataracts...frightening dude!
The ceremony was incredible. The place was electric, the drums were relentless in their beat as they brought their faithful subject to the trance state as they "recieved" the Saint. A pretty memorable experience! Thank GOD for lots of rum!
I have some pictures that I took, I'll try to hunt them down and post some, including pictures of the altars.
Hope this sheds a little bit of light on a pretty interesting subject.
Also:
I just started a "Pepe" page on my site, under the "Questions and Answers" link. There, you will find pictures of a Santeria ceremony as well as pictures of different types of altars built to the Saints. These are from a documentary that I worked on in Cuba in 1990.
RB
|
|
Greetings from "Bravo Land". Home of the 2009 Miami Vice convention!
GOD created cops so that firemen could have heroes too.
|
 |
Mr. Calderon
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 26 January 2004
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2127
|
Posted: 21 February 2005 at 1:13am |
|
These are our local umbanda and candomble rituals. Though im a catholic, its an afro-culture trace very common at the brazillian culture, specially at the Bahia state. And at the beaches, at the reveillon night across the country.
From what ive been hearding, Santa Barbara here is named Iansã (sounds like Iansan).
Hmm...I didnt know Rick Bravo was a "macumbeiro" hahaha :).
Macumbeiro is the one who does "macumba". And im not an expert but from what I understand, macumba is an afro word that became a popular expression to the one whos into our local santeria stuff.
Did you kill a black chicken already, Rick? :)
So you see... Miami Vice is afro culture too.
|
|
John Costelada:
"You´re history!"
|
 |
maynard
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 09 March 2004
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1561
|
Posted: 21 February 2005 at 2:03am |
|
I remeber in the 80's Santeria sacrifice making news in the Herald. The question was whether the animal rights people had a right to interfere in ht free excercize of religion. I don't remember how that turned out in Hialeah. ACampuller might know.
|
 |
ACamPuller
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 19 January 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4588
|
Posted: 21 February 2005 at 3:02am |
The sacrifices continue, clandestinely.
RB
|
|
Greetings from "Bravo Land". Home of the 2009 Miami Vice convention!
GOD created cops so that firemen could have heroes too.
|
 |
little miss d.
Undercover Detective
Eldárwen Elensar
Joined: 28 February 2003
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 11234
|
Posted: 21 February 2005 at 3:32am |
Well I hope you eat it afterwards. BBQ style.
|
|
|
 |
ACamPuller
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 19 January 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4588
|
Posted: 21 February 2005 at 4:11am |
Welcome to Rick's Cafeteria Santeria!
RB
|
|
Greetings from "Bravo Land". Home of the 2009 Miami Vice convention!
GOD created cops so that firemen could have heroes too.
|
 |
Oldiesgal
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 28 December 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1089
|
Posted: 21 February 2005 at 5:08am |
|
Up here in Fort Lauderdale, they used to have a detail at the Broward County Courthouse to check for dead chickens each AM.
|
 |
ACamPuller
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 19 January 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4588
|
Posted: 21 February 2005 at 5:12am |
They still have it here. They clean up all of the sacrifices and talismans from all around the courthouse and even from inside the courtrooms!
We also find a lot of these things when we dive the canals and lakes here in Dade County while doing vehicle recoveries.
Pretty wild!
RB
|
|
Greetings from "Bravo Land". Home of the 2009 Miami Vice convention!
GOD created cops so that firemen could have heroes too.
|
 |
OnTheSonnySide
Vice Squad Detective
"Dragon Queen"
Joined: 14 February 2005
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1236
|
Posted: 22 February 2005 at 3:28am |
Wow.. pretty cool information! As far as I know.. we don't have anything like that in boring old Virginia.
But then, I could be wrong. 
|
|
|
 |
ivoryjones
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 05 March 2003
Location: Brazil
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 957
|
Posted: 22 February 2005 at 4:13am |
|
Maybe it has something to do with the subject (and a small complement to Mr. Calderon's information). I've post this on the thread http://www.miami-vice.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3901&PN=1:
Here in Brazil there is a religious practice more or less close to santeria (I don't know whether it's VERY close or not, but there's even Xango also) that is called "macumba". Funny is that, in the '80s, when "Whatever Works" was here exhibited dubbed, the version replaced every "santeria" reference of the original lines by "macumba". It makes sense as here "santeria" is not well known and "macumba" is.
|
|
Look! You might vaporize dissidents in Alpha Centauri, but in this precinct, we do it by the book!
|
 |
twotribes
Officer
Joined: 21 February 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 78
|
Posted: 22 February 2005 at 8:03am |
|
hi there again im not trying to get mass noteriety im just excited to be here thank you once again acp for giving excelent insight on santeria and your father's role on mv what is it that you do now acp for a living?
|
 |
Miami Vicer
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 28 February 2003
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 970
|
Posted: 22 February 2005 at 6:18pm |
Ill know not to bring my Cocker Spaniel with me when I visit Miami next time. Might end up on an alter.  Sounds Satanic more than anything, putting an innocent animal thru all that pain and suffering. Cant be anything Holy.
|
 |
Miami Vicer
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 28 February 2003
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 970
|
Posted: 22 February 2005 at 6:21pm |
|
I also have Cuban family who practice that. Actually just one family member that I know of. The dude is totally weird and I always pray he doesnt drop by while we are visiting. He wanted to pray over us once while I was there with that voodoo stuff for a safe trip home but I told him I wasnt comfortable with that. Hopefully he wasnt too offended. The
|
 |
Miami Vicer
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 28 February 2003
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 970
|
Posted: 22 February 2005 at 6:42pm |
|
|
 |
Mr. Calderon
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 26 January 2004
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2127
|
Posted: 23 February 2005 at 1:58am |
|
Watcha think just small macumba against Collin Farrel?
|
|
John Costelada:
"You´re history!"
|
 |
Tony D.
Vice Squad Lieutenant
"Magic Guitar Man"
Joined: 20 February 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6579
|
Posted: 23 February 2005 at 3:16am |
|
I think that's what God meant in the 10 Commandments by,
" Thou Shalt not have strange gods before Me!"
|
Tony D.,New Port Richey, Fl.
" I just call 'em the way I see 'em, pal." - Sonny to Rico in The Great McCarthy
|
 |
SWAT7
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 18 July 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 563
|
Posted: 23 February 2005 at 3:52am |
LMAOOOO @ Vicer! Hey...how much pain can a rusty machete' cause, anyway??? OK..ok...probably immeasreuable Hellacious pain & terror in your last moments...but aside from that.... OK, anyway...when I was a "plain" detective, I was assigned all the cult/occult type cases. I had a working knowledge of paganism, witchcraft, druidism/wicca, satanism, santeria, brujaria. I solved a couple cases...there weren't that many. My most notable was a witchcraft case in which a self proclaimed gray-witch/pagan (somewhat demented) practitioner left an eloborate defiled Bible & home made scroll at a Church, with whom she was not happy. I deciphered the runes. Very interesting.
Anyway, I doubt your kinfolk intended you harm - quite the opposite, however I understand your reluctance.
Regards, KD


|
|
paraphrase - "...in this Country...people expect money for what they know...instead of pain...how ironic..." G. Gordon Liddy
|
 |
airtommy
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 01 March 2003
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2798
|
Posted: 23 February 2005 at 6:33am |
Originally posted by Mr. Calderon
Watcha think just small macumba against Collin Farrel? |
LOL!
|
 |
Miami Vicer
Vice Squad Detective
Joined: 28 February 2003
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 970
|
Posted: 24 February 2005 at 3:15am |
Originally posted by Tony D.
I think that's what God meant in the 10 Commandments by, " Thou Shalt not have strange gods before Me!" |
Amen Brother! Thumbs down to false Gods
|
 |
StanSwitek58
Trainee
Joined: 18 February 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 8
|
Posted: 24 February 2005 at 3:19am |
|
hahahahahaha
|
 |